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Where have all the Mosin's gone?

Posted on March 13, 2016 at 4:10 AM
          Long time passing....

Cue winey 60's protest music. 

    This is a question we get asked rather often: got any nagants?  

The answer is usually no. Or the ones we have are all "over priced" and we will hear that old song and dance : but your goudgeing they were $80!  Yeah, unless they find more countries hat are selling them for pennies on the dollar, get used to paying over $200 for a mosin. 


 Here is what happened. We have been spoiled by almost every former com-block country dumping their 70plus yr old surplus rifles on the market for the last two decades. It was nice. I bought my first nagant (a Finn rebuilt 91) for the princely sum of $70 back in 1997. And a Hungarian carbine for $65 in the proceeding years. Yes they were cheap. I remember. 

     Now, well something a sanders voter will never understand, but economics took hold. 

    They flooded the market: prices were low and they were plentiful. As was he ammo. The governments that had warehouses filled with them wanted them and their old corrosive ammo gone. So they could buy newer rifles and ammo. Times were good, they did not need them and did not want to keep them. They probably have piles of SKS's and Ak47's in reserve, why keep these things?  So to the market they went.  Americas new cheap surpluses darling. Replaced the Chinese sks in Bubbas  workshop. The after market industry for them spring up. Life was good for the often under rated communist stand by rifle/ pike.  All was fine and dandy. Till they reached the back of the warehouse.  So, the prices started to creep up. Supply was still plentiful. Even if you had to pay $120-160... Night problem... Ok, problem. The Russians started invading. First Georgia (the country, not the state) than , a few years later: the Ukraine. So supply is now made more..... Difficult for the importation of these low profit (for the sellers at least) rifles. 

   So, you have a low profit gun that is now more difficult to export. That has reached the bottom of the pile. Guns with broken stocks, need re serial numbers, ect.   To much hassle when there is a war on the horizon. 

    Than there is the ammo. Yes, I miss $70 a can. But most of the ammo they wanted to be rid of is already here. Mind you the 7.62x54r round is the comm block equivalent of our 7.62x51 (NATO/.308) so is still used by them as a med machine gun and sniper CTG.. So there is a need for it still. Hence less hitting the surplus market. And more in war reserve.  This "pinch" lead to the importation and domestic manufacture of "new" 7.62x54r in some rather impressive loads. But that did little to keep prices down. So the cost of surplus when you find it is around $150 a 440 can. Almost to commercial ammo prices. 

   So, where dose this leave us? There is one, yes ONE wholesaler who currently has the 91/30 rifles. And they are around $225 . But they ARE the only game in town. So either find a used one  or order one from them. There are the Chinese type 53 carbines out there. Same rifle as an M44 carbine, but some minor differences.  Even those have dried up. Some do pop up here and there. But most are rather gundgey.. And will require a lot of work to get fixed. Up to shooting standards. 

    So, like the real estate market. We got spoiled and the bubble has popped. And now, we pick up the hits. They are still relatively cheap, and easy to feed. Much better than say, 303 British. Or 8mm. Mauser! So, if you are just now getting into the military collecting field, get something now. You will not regret it. 

Old troopers actual,


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